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Did with joe liebermann back in '08. >> but what's that path to victory? because i've seen the electoral path to victory map that your group has, and it says it requires wins in hawaii, vermont, maryland, and massachusetts. those are all states that in 2020, biden won by 30 points or more. it doesn't really seem like a viable path. >> well, you remember larry hogan, who was one of the co-chairs of no labels actually carried the state in '20 by, what, 30 points, a republican in a state that trump got crushed. so, there is definitely room for people to say, we don't want this rematch. and the po...

Calculus. he feels like he has a great relationship with people in his district. it's half and half, republican and democrats. he's used to navigating the waters of people who think differently. i assume based on what he saw he feels confident in his relationship with voters. >> michael, is it unusual to think that any other republicans would break with the president here? >> i think we have a lot of independent minded people in the house and senate but justin amash is entirely different. he's never supported the president. ever since 2010 he's got one bill with his name on it. he renamed the ...

Think that any other republicans would break with the president here? >> i think we have a lot of independent minded people in the house and senate but justin amash is entirely different. he's never supported the president. i talked to -- you know, he came in on the tea party wave in 2010. ever since 2010 he's got one bill with his name on it. he renamed the post office. he's not really done much. michigan 3, the president won 52-42 in 2016. i think it's important to realize i haven't seen the president's victory map in the campaign headquarters for 2020, but certainly michigan is on one or an...

He encouraged me to take it home to my colleagues at "the washington post" and try to run it on the front page of our newspaper. so he cares a lot about that map. he cares a lot about these states. >> i'm sorry. he on his 100th day interview five months after the election wanted "the washington post" to run the election map on the cover? >> he did. i think he was sort of playing there, but it speaks to the pride that he has in that map, and he was showing it to his visitors. and, you know, he feels very strongly that it was redder than an electoral victory map has ever been, and he wants to do...

Union. extremely dependent on nafta for its exports and economic engine. that's the way it seems to me to this president's heart, to say the people that voted for you, not the american people at large, the people that voted for you. >> you're exactly right. he takes so much pride in those people that voted for him. in your intro there, you were talking about the electoral map that he showed the reporters from reuters in their interview. he actually did the same thing with me. he brought out the map. he said aren't you impressed by this map? aren't you surprised by this map? he encouraged me to...