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necessary. great, great. i know where you are, so i know where to find you. i ll see you soon. thank you as always. our top story the damning testimony at today s second january 6th hearing. much of it led with highlights by trump attorney general bill barr. i was somewhat demoralized, because i thought, boy, if he really believes this stuff, he has lost contact with with he s become detached from reality. and when i went into this and would, you know, tell him how crazy some of these allegations were there was never there was never an indication of interest in what the actual facts were. i saw absolutely zero basis for the allegations. i told him it was it was crazy stuff. completely bogus and silly and usually based on complete misinformation. they were idiotic claims. they obviously were influencing a lot of people, member of the public. complete nonsense. wow. and remember, everything you just heard is from a source that was not only very loyal to ....
Show what a gun will do to a kid s head. show the american people what s really happening and what everybody is so afraid to see, the same way they were afraid to show what was really happening in vietnam. yeah. let me ask you before i lose you since you make the vietnam analogy, in full disclosure, i wasn t there, i read, i read about it but i didn t live through it, but that was also a time the culture, what was once called the counterculture really stood up and united and you had a lot of people saying cross-cultures this isn t about politics, there s other issues that people debate. this was a moral issue, you know. it was young people going out and campaigning that eventually got lbj to not seek re-election. it was unheard of when they started. so i m curious. do you think what we re seeing from people like yourself in arts and in sport, does that matter to potentially convert this issue to a national ethical issue? no. yeah, i mean, you know, look, ....
That their incremental interventions would succeed. they escalated because both administrations believed they had to do something. so, the united states went from having a few hundred advisors in south vietnam in 1960 to more than half a million troops there by 1968. vietnam analogy is crude and imperfect for many reasons but the logic is hauntingly familiar. you opt for incrementalism hoping to get lucky. i ve supported obama s reluctance to get more deeply involved. i do not see how american intervention will resolve things militarily or improve the humanitarian situation there. if america were to succeed, if assad were to fall, damascus would explode in chaos. the syrian army would go underground and fight as an insurgency. would human rights really improve in that circumstance. ....
And i think it would have become an epidemic. at first the europeans turned away from it completely, they didn t want to have any part of it. and the clinton administration turned away from it, as well. and dick fought very hard to make them see that this was kind of a turning point. you have to take a stand, and only the united states could lead on this. the europeans would never get themselves together to do it. i would say that i think in his mind, it was an example when american power was a force for good. and we exerted our global influence to do something right. and i think in dealing with afghanistan and pakistan, people often think he s driven by the memory of vietnam. but i think when he began, it was with this belief, that that s exactly right. that american power can have the same outcome. the vietnam analogy, fareed, was absolutely critical in all this. and it is to our generation. but to dick, it was in his head all the time. we re going to talk about all that ....
Make them see that this was kind of a turning point. you have to take a stand, and only the united states could lead on this. the europeans would never get themselves together to do it. i would say that i think in his mind, it was an example when american power was a force for good. and we exerted our global influence to do something right. and i think in dealing with afghanistan and pakistan, people often think he s driven by the memory of vietnam. but i think when he began, it was with this belief, that that s exactly right. that american power can have the same outcome. the vietnam analogy, fareed, was absolutely critical in all this. and it is to our generation. but to dick, it was in his head all the time. we re going to talk about all that when we come back. and most particularly, we re going to talk about richard holbrooke s last assignment, the war in afghanistan, the problem in pakistan, how to solve it. when we come back. a peace deal requires ....