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Donald trump in cbs, the latest poll, is at 22. ben carson at 26. marco rubio 8, jeb bush 7. as you go down the list, there's actually not a lot of undecideds there. it seems to me, marco rubio, let's say he takes away from bush. he's only going to take away two points from bush. he's going to have to take point ace way from ben carson or donald trump or both. do you see that happening? >> i wish that governor pawlenty was running this year and i wish he would have been in the debate last night. i think he would have hit it out of the park. look, i think that these polls are fairly meaningless...

It seems to me, marco rubio, let's say he takes away from bush. he's only going to take away two points from bush. he's going to have to take point ace way from ben carson or donald trump or both. do you see that happening? >> i wish that governor pawlenty was running this year and i wish he would have been in the debate last night. i think he would have hit it out of the park. look, i think that these polls are fairly meaningless. i think when you call up somebody and ask them who you're supporting now, you don't think about it a lot. this is all about who's going to win these first four stat...