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>> excuse me. i misspoke. 100,000 killed. i was speaking about the refugee number, i apologize. but the scale of mass suffering is huge. senator mccain has said that future presidents will apologize for what the u.s. has failed to do now. you've been asked in the past about mass suffering, genocide in rwanda and president clinton's admitted failure to intervene. and you worked on those issues. this is what you told the atlantic back in september of 2001. "i swore to myself that if i ever faced such a crisis again, i would come down on the side of dramatic action going down in flames if that wa...

How does that view influence the advice you give to the president on syria? >> first of all, david, this is not a genocide. it's a horrific civil war that has spilled over and infused the neighboring states. it's one that we have worked very hard to end through support to the opposition, humanitarian assistance, through active and aggressive diplomacy, and david, we have the every interest in trying to bring this conflict to a conclusion, but if the alternative here is to intervene with american boots on the ground as some have argued, i think that the judgment the united states has made and t...

>> it's more like 100,000. >> i was speaking about the refugee number, i apologize. but the scale of mass suffering is huge. senator mccain has said that future presidents will apologize for what the u.s. has failed to do now. you've beened is in the past about mass suffering, genocide in rwanda and president clinton's admitted failure to intervene. and you worked on those issues. this is what you told the atlantic back in september of 2001. i sow are 0 myself if i ever faced such a crisis again, i would come down on the side of dramatic action going down in flames if that was required. how do...