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Know, a rebellion, almost getting to moscow. there's no question. and he's also left with this dilemma of what do you do with prigozhin. prigozhin is a time bomb, and they know it. so this idea that you get him out of russia, you send him to belarus, it sounds a little strange, but i cannot imagine that prigozhin would continue to be in russia because every day that he's there he's a potential threat. i mean, what prigozhin wants is to get rid of the leadership of the military. does he want putin to go? not necessarily. but he's been very critical in effect by saying what he said, that putin w...

>> you're an expert in this whole area, dimitri. what do you think? >> i absolutely agree. the fact that prigozhin's armored column was able to reach 150 miles of moscow without the combined forces of the russian minutesview of defense, forces of the sfb and national guard being able to stop them is remarkable and indicates how weak the whole system has become. i mean, this is almost -- they've reached as far as hitler did in 1941 right on the outskirts of moscow. truly remarkable, and even after putin had declared that these traders have to be crushed, the russian military still was unable to...

The extensive interview you just did with wendy sherman, is the urgency you hear in her voice. we have consistently tried to assess how the administration views putin's actions. it was right there laid bear in that interview. they are taking all of the actions by president putin very seriously and at face value. i thought was also notable that she said i hope the window is not closing when it comes to a diplomatic off ramp. we know that type of a comment comes in the wake of president macron meeting with president putin. macron expressed measured optimism that perhaps putin would agree to some...