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He's got out the car. he's defied advice of the authorities on the phone, and as she said there, rachel, in her testimony, would she have carried on talking to him on the telephone right to that point, if trayvon was the guy going after zimmerman. >> right, if you're hiding in the bushes in the darkness waiting to assault someone, why are you on the phone talking to your girlfriend or your friend? that's a problem that the defense absolutely has. the other problem is george zimmerman's inconsistent versions. you know, we're grilling this 19-year-old. she's not on trial. george zimmerman is and...

To keep bringing that out. >> right. >> and bringing it home to the jury and repeating it and because it ties into their theory that maybe he was the one who began the assault on george zimmerman. >> vinnie paulson, what do you make of it? it does as natalee jackson said, comes down to two key things. one is was george zimmerman following trayvon martin against the instructions of authorities? we know from the tape he was told not to do that and did he start the confrontation, the altercation with trayvon martin or not? if both those things are true and i'll verify it to be true as this trial ...

This way, so he didn't go straight back to the car -- >> vinnie, you know better. justifiable force under the law, it doesn't matter what he should have done. she shouldn't have had a gun -- >> he is lying, though. why is he lying to police? >> that's not -- >> he's on trial -- >> let me bring in -- >> let me bring in gloria. >> gloria? >> we talked a lot about stand your ground law in this case but i think she stood her ground and obviously, as she doesn't have perfect testimony, some lie haves been pointed out. she had explanations for why she lied about going to the hospital instead of the ...

The woman -- his neighbor didn't recognize him within five minutes and the back of his head was smashed in on the cement. that did not happen being on top and being the aggressor -- >> actually -- >> here -- >> hang on. >> hang on one second. we -- vinnie, you take over. >> okay. here is the thing, though, in trayvon initiating the conversation, you have to take it in context. she also described how trayvon was saying he was behind him. he was following him. why is george zimmerman still pursuing him? his -- his direct quote to investigators the next day at the scene is that i walked straight ...

Because it ties into their theory that maybe he was the one who began the assault on george zimmerman. >> vinnie paulson, what do you make of it? it does as natalee jackson said, comes down to two key things. one is was george zimmerman following trayvon martin against the instructions of authorities? we know from the tape he was told not to do that and did he start the confrontation, the altercation with trayvon martin or not? if both those things are true and i'll verify it to be true as this trial continues, very hard to see how he can successfully argue self-defense. >> yes, but here is th...