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That he would. certainly not a lot of reason why it would be in his interest if he can avoid it to testify right now. because, look, aside from his involvement in these ukraine matters that we're talking about as far as the president, there's also the fact that these two associates of him were just arrested over the weekend shortly before the weekend involved in this campaign finance issue. there are a lot of legal issues swirling around giuliani, and it's not even totally clear what his current status is vis-a-vis the president when the president was asked just a few days ago whether rudy giu...

Does that make sense to you? >> i think turkey has its own set of interests it's pursuing right now, vis-a-vis the kurdish areas. i think it's important to understand turks may be able to successfully clear some of these areas. whether they can actually hold them is a real question. i don't think the turkish military actually has the capacity to potentially hold this buffer zone together. this is going to be a huge mess in the coming weeks ahead. >> peter, your latest analysis in "the new york times" seem pretty spot on here. the headline in syria, trump distills a foreign policy of impulse an...

>> wow. >> so, there's that element as well. he announced it on vladimir putin's birthday. but the real issue here is that our government has no strategy vis-a-vis the middle east. and this is the problem. number one, you have the counterterrorism issue. so, this is only making it more dangerous now for the united states and our allies in europe, right? because these isis fighters -- the kurds are not going to be able to hang on. they have to defend themselves, their families, their villages. they won't be able to guard these facilities that much longer if the turks continue. second, you have ...

One. we have a legal proceeding that mirrors with the political proceeding is in the house, because that's the issue. >> melissa: dagen, i would say there is one very big difference. this is the point a lot of folks have been making, that the president has the responsibility to make sure our taxpayer dollars aren't being sent to places where there's corruption. so he ostensibly come up vis-a-vis his position as president, has another reason to be asking, as opposed to people who were there strictly working i campaign. they're not there in thus giving potential corruption in taxpayer dollars go...

Chris coons said earlier to you guys, where that could lead them to vis-a-vis the other officials named in the complaint and calling them to the hill or at least having to fight to try to get them to the hill. that is another avenue for them to explore in the question of the most basic thing, what we're looking at now, the potential crime and the cover-up. >> david, let me ask you, could expectations be a bit too high from the democrats' standpoint given what we're going to hear this week from marie yovanovitch and gordon sondland. gordon sondland was an ally and supporter of president trump's...