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Climate change, their number one issue. the fact that joe manchin is getting his way on this reportedly is enraging. but talk about where things truly stand right now, and whether democrats negotiating among themselves will actually come up with a plan and a bill that can be voted on by october 31st. >> i would say right now probably not. i was talking to folks in the house and senate leadership this morning. they're not that close to a deal. and i do think there's -- you know, i -- let's talk about manchin and sinema for a while. there's so much attention on them, and there should be, but the...

Does that mean no universal pre-k, does that mean no subsidized community college? do you have any sense that have? >> this is exactly what they're dealing with now. $2 trillion is still an awful lot of money. you can do a lot with $2 trillion. but you can't do everything that the democrats are talking about. remember, bernie sanders and congresswoman jayapal, pramila jayapal who is the head of the progressive caucus, they were talking about a 6 to $10 trillion package. now, you would probably -- there would be difficulty on sanders pushing medical expansion, health, dental, vision programs. t...

Didn't. >> neil: governor, we're now -- waiting for cape canaveral launch of the shuttle "discovery." could be delayed. they are having some problems. nevertheless, we are wrapping up the shuttle program only two more after this. i'm wondering, again, given the possibility, you could be who knows our next president, we don't know that. but it seems that we are abandoning our space program entirely. big vision programs are gone. chinese, japanese, my mother country italy is dabbling in it what do you think of that? >> i think it's sad but it may be necessary, neil. you know, there are a whole l...