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Self depricating in an appealing kind of way. >> now, the real answer to this is, the beer test as you say, is important. but you also have to have policies to go with the likability, and i think if he has the policies, and can remind the american people of the progress made, and reaches out in a way that is real, i think that that's the combination. but just passion the beer test alone is not going to win the election. >> no, just being super nice loveable guy who exudes charisma is not enough. you have to have the policies that you said. you have to have the first vision thing as the first g...

That space, i think that good things can happen for him. >> he's fundamentally a technocrat. he hasn't got the vision thing. and it's interesting to ask whether americans want the vision thing or the technocrat. if you look at europe right now, there are signs that people are increasingly going for techno crates, people who are competent and can run economies well. maybe that won't cut it here in america. but the vision thing is certainly lacking right now. >> john, you mentioned this. what was the calculation or what is the calculation inside the obama campaign about going right wing nut job?...

He was wrong and they're now convinced that he now is on the right side of those issues. what's missing is the vision thing, the -- what does he want to do with the country? what is he really about? what is at the core of romney? and i think people haven't yet gotten that. they haven't figured that out. he doesn't communicate it very well. >> so there you have it, stephen. you're the inside man again. i rely on your knowledge having ran the campaign for john mccain last time so well i think given the odds against him. and here you have a guy that doesn't seem like he belongs. he has problems, ...

Politicians especially in the black community. >> bill: you are not supposed to do that didn't you hear kennedy saying a minister? not supposed to tell you who to vote for? >> very good, very good. let me just say you were talking about. this i was talking about this vision thing you picked up with it with mary katharine. he also said that obama wants everybody to be like him because he wants kids to go to college. that's just crazy. you talk about a different vision of america. >> bill: we have got to get get that memo that mary katharine just flagged us. get it tomorrow. you can't be sending...

Politicians especially in the black community. >> bill: you are not supposed to do that didn't you hear kennedy saying a minister? not supposed to tell you who to vote for? >> very good, very good. let me just say you were talking about. this i was talking about this vision thing you picked up with it with mary katharine. he also said that obama wants everybody to be like him because he wants kids to go to college. that's just crazy. you talk about a different vision of america. >> bill: we have got to get get that memo that mary katharine just flagged us. get it tomorrow. you can't be sending...