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Some kind of preemptive military strike to take that out, but again, fred, the decision for any president to use military action anywhere clearly a very, you know, very heavy one to make, but there are certain scenarios under which the united states could not tolerate north korea doing anything. so that's what i think these really tough messages towards north korea are. they're as much as military deterrent as anything to say if you cross these red lines, this is not going to end well for you, because that will be suicidal, fred. >> all very delicate. thanks so much, elise labott. of course el...

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