Thank you for your time tonight. >> good evening, ed. >> how rare is this, what we're seeing tonight? what we're seeing unfold? >> well, unfortunately it's not very rare. while i was chairman of the ntsb during the clinton administration, we had three carnival cruise line fires on the universe explorer, the vista ford, and the ecstasy. one of those resulting in the loss of six individuals. unfortunately the truth of the matter is the united states government over these regulatory authority over these foreign flag cruise ships is not very effective. and when you board a cruise ship, you're real...