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Out how high do we set the bar? we might want to set is-t higher so republicans can't get there to have the political issue for the white house. >> pat, these numbers do show an opportunity for sure, that the republicans have? >> they really do. the main number's not the republican versus democrat but it is the energy, fire and enthusiasm gap that john referred to. they are really fired. the conservatives are and the p populists are. if barack obama will come out with a program which will sever these casino with credit default swap derivatives to banks, i think he would get support from middle...

These issues. >> i couldn't agree more, governor the democrats should be getting more done in the senate. tom daschle has been successful as the leader getting provisions through the senate without having of votes. >> the constitution doesn't require 60. >> i will ask this question to both of you. the banks are just one example. we have seen it in health care, jobs, the war, with guantanamo. there are mixed messages that come out of this white house all the time. it seems to hurt them politically and end up in no policy. >> the damage to don't begrudge it will cast doubt on the president's fir...

Conclusion, is will there ever be meaningful financial reform when both sides are completely willing to take as much money as possible from the banksters, who don't want their taxpayer atm turned off. can you plam them? if you had access to everybody else's money and the politicians are willing to do it for $15 million, $20 million? we're going to closely watch the moves of these people. chris dodd, see if real reform has any legs, he had a great first proposal, nothing since. chairman dodd earlier in the week voiced concern over a fairly simple proposal, the volcker plan, which is only a piec...