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Measure and have considerable doubts to mark warner, finance committee. senator, is this thing in danger? how do you see it? >> neil, i think we're going to get this done. there's two sets of hurdles. one hurdle is just the process when you use what is called reconciliation. there's things called vote-a-ramas. that will take another week. if everybody was ready to vote, it would take another week. the other hand, joe manchin has concerns about component parts and still issues on the pay-fors. you know, i'm committed to only voting for a bill that is fully paid for that i think still needs to b...

Disaster it would be for default. you have the house, the senate and the white house if there's damage done from even getting up to the line on the debt ceiling. >> yeah. the person that has the most control about us resisting us doing what we're absolutely required to do is mitch mcconnell. as you know, the house has raised the debt ceiling. that was with all the democratic votes and massive resistance on the republican side. in the senate with the procedural roles where you have the filibuster, 60 votes, then mcconnell has a lot of authority to be able to stop america from doing what america...

>> it's a difference to say democrats can pass the debt limit, by themselves, if republicans couldn't use the filibuster to keep it from coming to a vote. so that's something a little bit different. and reconciliation is not as easy, i think sometimes as republicans are making it out to be like just put it in the reconciliation bill. that has its own procedures and hurdles and vote-a-ramas. we're talking about two weeks and perhaps, yes, democrats could have done reconciliation earlier but they're also concerned about being told by the parliamentarian that they cannot continue to keep using re...

Before the august recess so by the end of july, which is basically upon us. the part that has vexed me from the start is this phrase "at the same time" which i have thought was impossible, and it now seems pretty clear, i think, what they mean is at the end of july, we will be lucky if we can pass the bipartisan plan, actually pass it, and then pass the budget resolution which then leads you to a reconciliation bill in september or october after they come back from recess. is that a fair understanding of the sequence? >> i think you pretty much nailed it there, lawrence. you know, there is goi...

And 21 times, it has had to go back to the house for a vote. it all starts this afternoon. is there going to be a lot of intrigue and angst about this? >> i think so. yeah. we all thought this was over late sunday night but this is still going to go on. it starts this afternoon. the senate will take up this reconciliation bill, probably wednesday or thursday. they'll have these things called vote-a-ramas, rapid fire votes over and over again. it may not wrap up until this weekend. some of the things they'll be talking about in the reconciliation bill is things that house dems didn't like so ha...