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Suppression, toward rigging the count, toward voter nullification that happen in georgia, doesn't happen every where? >> first, you're right. thank you for correcting me. the reality is that they hit a roadblock and then gave themselves the tools to do it again next time which is that states can overturn elections. and donald trump who could take office in 2025 will be much more authoritarian and surrounded by much more autocratic idiocy than even when he came in in 2017 and he wanted to rely on republicans and generals. we will be starting from a much more authoritarian place in 2025. if you ...

So there are law makers in arizona still listening to this crowd that declares there was fraud without any evidence. it will be interesting to see what kind of bills they put forth. i don't think a nullification bill would get through the arizona legislature. i doubt it would be signed by the governor. but the fact we are going to be having these debates when the legislature reconvene is striking. >> tim, a quick last word. to your broader point, this is one state, this is one paper covering a -- you know, a cascade of wasteful conduct by taxpayer-funded lawmakers in a state. voter nullificati...

Arizona, across the united states, this is nullification. it is what president biden called voter subversion. it is what dr. king referred to echoing george wallace, voter nullification. it is a ten, alex, in my view. >> okay. trymaine, have you heard from any of the rally goers there at the national action network rally what they want to see happen next? what do they have planned for next? yes, we have the rev as you referred to as well saying there may be actions of civil disobedience come the fall. but before that what is the next step for those people? >> reporter: you know, right now on t...

It's a force for anti-democratic policies such as rolling back be a access to vote. it should scare democrats into doing none of the same things that they've always done. none of the norms should apply with that on the table. i want to put up the number of states that have passed laws that include both things, voter suppression and a change -- voter nullification, i think, confuses people. they are removing the officials who walk the line in november and they've targeted the states that were very, very close. the republican party is malevolent, no doubt. but they're not lacking in strategy in ...

Voter restrictions that are moving faster than the democrats? >> well, when i talk to white house sources, they tell me that they are going to just try their best to do all of the different avenues. they have not given up on the idea that congress could pass something but they also are, and they are careful, the white house is not wanting to be involved in talking about the doj, when you talk to people who are sort of white house adjacent and civil rights leaders the other option is the doj route and nominating judges to get to court and stop this. but it goes back to the fact that the supreme...