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0 thomas, other people inside the administration. the idea was if we can't win this legally, with the votes, we're just going to steal it and jesus is on our side if you listen to mark meadows or read his texts. in georgia, i mean, there is this increased intensity because they think, people like trump think they have a god-given right to win that state so deep in the south. not the case anymore, and there's making thissing uplier. >> i think it will get even uglier, joe. georgia is not alone in this. pennsylvania will be another state like georgia with the flipside of it, with the democrats t...

>> joining me now democratic congressman jim clyburn of south carolina. congressman, we appreciate you being here today. you heard him saying a full court press is underway. do you have is same optimism as the congressman? what can you tell us about the plan to get something done? >> we are going to be steadfast in this. this is worth doing. not just for african american voting rights but the hispanic american voting rights. if you allow the voting apparatus to be free, to be preventing, let's just say all kinds of issues being used to stop the vote, not to count the

There might be fraud going on. if there wasn't, why wouldn't you be transparent and why wouldn't you follow the law? >> you're from a state where people have alleged voter fraud against republicans. i'm old enough to remember the 2004 presidential race where people made all sorts of allegations against the bush campaign in ohio without any evidence and proof, just based on a lot of suspicion. >> i mean, listen, if they broke the rules -- the court said they broke the rules in palm beach, they should be held accountable for that. we can't conflat these two things between election officials not ...

Touch screens, the digital voting apparatus because they were too concerned with tampering and possible hacking so they are doing it all on paper ballots now and here is where people put their paper ballots in. once you vote over here, you put it in here and watch this gentleman here will give you a cardboard covering to cover your vote for privacy purposes. this gentleman has one of those, he is about to put it into the machine and then it will scan his vote. he hands the cardboard cover back to the voting worker here. we can show you that it has a running count of how many people have voted....

Choosing not to vote wherever you are in this state, in this country, you will dishonoring your family. you are disrespecting and disregarding their legacy. >> sandra: juan, what do you think of that? >> i think that's true and i think it's powerful coming from oprah because that is a racially charged race as you know. lots of arguments about voter suppression by brian kemp, who is the republican running for governor. but also the attorney general. so he controls the voting apparatus in the state. jimmy carter, the former president, called for him to step down because it looks too much like an...