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Nullification. >> willie, it is a great frustration for people running campaigns on the democratic side. you talk about jim crow 2.0 for voting laws that basically takes us back to 2018. pre-pandemic voting laws in a lot of cases. you're not focusing on the real threat to american democracy, which is, republican state legislatures saying, we don't like how the votes were counted in the fairest, cleanest election in american history. we're going to decide how those votes are counted moving forward. time and again, we've asked people on this show. it's great. we understand, they're going back to...

Pretended to care so much about the sacred institution of our democracy and now all of a sudden they want to tear down the institutions in order to save them. i say this. the ultimate goal here isn't voting rights, it isn't actually making sure that there is no discrimination to voting procedures. it is to give the democrat base an excuse to feel morally superior to republicans on this phantom issue of voter suppression. they never show you who can't vote over this because they just want to point at republicans and say if you don't allow us to change the election laws like we did in 2020 which...

Very different when it comes to counting the vote.— very different when it comes to counting the vote. you don't have any elected _ counting the vote. you don't have any elected person _ counting the vote. you don't have any elected person anywhere - counting the vote. you don't have| any elected person anywhere near reading _ any elected person anywhere near reading the voting procedures at all. reading the voting procedures at all it— reading the voting procedures at all it is— reading the voting procedures at all. it is all done by a non—elected people _ all. it is all done by a non...

To alter the voting in a particular state, potentially to add voting provisions in a particular state, takes all of the power away from the state. federal constitution specifically empowers state legislatures to make the election laws in the state, there would be no constitution if the states did not retain that authority, i have read some of the debates, that was a key issue. they understood they were creating this government. they were creating a limited government, that they would be damned if they empowered that government to determine in their states what voting procedures would be. why i...

Though the rnc has blasted liz cheney and adam kinzinger for joining the committee. on "meet the press," chuck todd pressed former chief of staff on the legitimacy of the 2020 election. >> i believe that joe biden is duly elected president of the united states. >> legitimately so. the election is legitimate. you may disagree with voting procedures, but the election itself -- >> i think it's the same question. there were significant concerns about the process that's going to create a cloud. i think unfortunately the president had many bad advisers who were basically snake oil salesmen. >> joini...