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Poll numbers by 13. the pick closes to ryan's negative one percentage point, dick cheney, who registered a net positive two points. small upticks could be republican trait. data shows below average gain for republicans in general. one consideration do voters know the person? in ryan's case certainly better than a year ago when you look at these numbers here. but still 35% either don't know him or are neutral. those who have an opinion, more believe ryan is out of step. now, for mr. biden, it's worse with a negative 9% on this very same question. and though ryan rates at the bottom of the vp bo...

That romney wasn't talking about the economy was a bad day for the romney campaign. wlfs the last time they talked about it. >> they're talking about welfare, adssh -- >> it's not the obama brand of 2008, i agree, but again he has just tactically speaking, i'm not saying i agree with it, but he had more room, and he knows he can't run on the public satisfaction with the country. >> i don't agree with that. >> he has to make romney unacceptable, because he knows romney will not fall on his face. you've got to drive him as bad as you can. >> speaking of bounces, will he get a vp bounce? we'll ta...