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We also know that it can happen into next year and in the interim, use the other smart technology and other resources being used toward border security. >> harris: then there's this, the president tweeted this morning "but don't let the fake media tell you that i have changed my position on the wall. it will get billed and help stop drugs, human trafficking, et cetera." they said they want the government shutdown based on anything on the table right now, it doesn't mean he won't get anything done. >> john: i think the democrats were looking to pick a fight. republicans always get blamed and it...

About how to do it and you do survive. it's not the end of the world. the perception that the media -- ever since 1995 when republican majorities in the house and senate shut down, it's our fault, and soured disaster. in 1995, i said we are going to show them. >> harris: do you call their bluff? >> john: is not going to happen. >> harris: on friday, the order went out for some of these agencies to ready themselves, which is pretty typical. it did get picked up as a talking point and some of the mainstream media, all my goodness, the sky is falling. >> meghan: i may cut and dry person. i'm not ...

Situation which i believe you were alluding to, the president wanting to do health care first because the tax benefits even from that would flow into this. if you can get this done, can he then checked this off? >> taya: a large postcard? >> john: the internal revenue code has two lines. line one, state your income. line two, send it in. >> harris: president trump is showing some flexibility. he is now willing to put off funding for the border wall with mexico until the fall and an effort to avoid a government shutdown on friday at midnight on saturday. where will the funding battle go next an...

There's a lot of people in america think this is as an wal wall. >> harris: some areas need offense. >> meghan: you thought it was a wall. a lot of americans think it's an actual wall. now my interpretation is that we talk about fencing and drones in higher security? to me, that's a cyber wall. >> sandra: the president has gone on the record saying it's going to be a mix of things. delaying the funding for this ambassador, to those who voted for him, he did promise that wall. >> meghan: i'm sorry, -- >> john: this is the ronald reagan metaphor that we talked about sitting on the hill. if it ha...

Up to $21.6 billion and could take more than three years to construct. while the border wall plans move ahead while protesters took to the street of phoenix on wednesday night following the rest of an illegalf immigrant woman, a convicted criminal, who was w later deported for joining us with reaction is the secretary of state of kansas, kris kobach is with us. how are you? >> great to be back with you. >> sean: i know a lot of people were pushing for you to be in charge of the department of homeland security. i also understand you met with the president. did you talk specifically about the wa...