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Get me out of the cage and let me go. >> despite new jersey governor chris christie's eagerness to jump into collective bargaining with public unions, republican governors in indiana, wisconsin, and ohio have all attacked collective bargaining rights, rights that indiana governor mitch damages already eliminated by executive order on his first day in office in 2005. joining me now, former governor of vermont and current msnbc contributor howard dean, thanks for joining me tonight, governor. >> thanks, lawrence. >> chris christie's point, here's a republican governor who's considered tough on s...

The republicans are going to get hammered in wisconsin. democracy for america's got a recall effort going on for five republican senators. 57% think the republican senator ought to be recalled of the five they're looking at. so this is killing them. and what christie essentially is saying is look, we can respect each other and i'm going to be tough as nails. there's nothing wrong with being tough as nails. there is something wrong with balancing the budget on the backs of poor -- of working people when you've given away $100 million of tax breaks to business, which is exactly what walker in wi...

The republicans are going to get hammered in wisconsin. democracy for america's got a recall effort going on for five republican senators. 57% think the republican senator ought to be recalled of the five they're looking at. so this is killing them. and what christie essentially is saying is look, we can respect each other and i'm going to be tough as nails. there's nothing wrong with being tough as nails. there is something wrong with balancing the budget on the backs of poor -- of working people when you've given away $100 million of tax breaks to business, which is exactly what walker in wi...

Candidates to say anything interesting. pawlenty is a more interesting person, was a more interesting governor than he is a candidate. he had interesting ideas about the environment. he had interesting ideas about making state government work. and when that person re-emerges i think america may like it. can that person survive a republican primary? >> how -- there's a certain kind of dumbing out you can see with some of these republican candidates at times. you had steve forbes running for president saying he's not so sure about evolution. i mean, he was a princeton graduate who's not so sure ...

Wisconsin democratic senator chris larsen and from madison, wisconsin, once again republican senator glenn groveman. thank you both for joining me tonight. >> thank you. >> glad to be on your show. >> senator larsen, you heard the governor, governor walker tonight saying there had been discussions with what he calls some reasonable senate democrats who sound like they want to bring an end to this and come home. are you one of those senate democrats who's been in discussions with republicans or with the governor? >> yes. well, all 14 of us have been in discussions in trying to find a reasonable...