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Number went down through the obama administration and is at its lowest point in a decade. >> "the new york times" has reported based on the government's own data, the number of people, it's not just from you, joe, it's from the government's data, have either been apprehended or turned away at the southern border has actually decreased over the past decade. the pew research center reports numbers have fallen according to the census data. >> john heilemann, we said it throughout the entire campaign, we talked about how donald trump's wall argument -- even mike pence lying through his teeth last ...

That will let them absolve him, it's hard to see how we get there any time soon. >> you mentioned the base's reaction. jay, president trump tweeted yesterday that the united states loses so much money on trade with mexico under nafta. so how much of this whole wall argument that he's positioning is really about naftand, frankly, the trade issues the president has had with mexico? >> morgan, i think all of this is about reelection, frankly. a lot of this is ginning up the base to get them excited, to get them empowered and make them feel passionate about defending the president. the two biggest...

Sense, it's all regressive, it's backward looking, it won't stop illegal immigration, it certainly won't stop drug trafficking where you can take a quad drone and lift 30 pounds 30 miles easily, it's only going to get more like that. so building a wall is a complete waste of money. >> and, jon meachum, again, reading the "wall street journal" who has at times defended donald trump in ways that i found maddening, the editorial page, this is what they say about building the wall, building the wall across the entire 1,954 mile border would be expensive and it wouldn't stop illegal immigration, si...

♪ >> greg: i forgot to mention about what my wall argument, why mexico should build it and we pay for it. you get around the eminent domain issue which is going to prevent the wall anyway. >> emily: and who cares about their environment? >> greg: i care. >> emily: >> emily: i'm kidding. >> greg: you are not invited to my christmas party bear last night, ted lieu, democratic irishman from california said if he could, he would restrict speech. i believe him. >> i would love to be able to regulate the content of speech. the first amendment prevents me from doing so. that is simply a function of...