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Democratic process. >> i will tell you, the one -- the one contrary take i have on that is had the president tonight announced, i'm declaring an emergency and i under emergency powers that i declare myself to have, i'm going to get my wall built that way. >> mmm-hmm. >> and so while i do that, congress can do whatever they want in terms of opening up the government, but i will get this wall built. the reason i think that might have actually been a practical advance for the country is because i'm assuming that you would have sued the heck out of him for any sort of unconstitutional assertion th...

The president on friday said that they support him on the shutdown. not everyone is happy, but for now, how the politics of this whole episode plays out, that's an open question we want to get into with gloria borger, michael caputo and paul begala. gloria, who do you think has the upper hand tonight? you have the president threatening to declare a national emergency in order to get a wall built, and a split congress with negotiations seemingly go nowhere. >> look, i think right now, this president is reeling, because he's not -- he's not winning the narrative here and he's trying to change it...

Infrastructure. he came into this when he was campaigning in 2016 talking about a concrete wall but since talking to experts at the border, he has realized there are other technologies that work such as fencing, steel slats, that works and that's what he is going for. you can see he has come off of $25 billion, now he's down to $5 billion. is negotiating, the hard left aren't getting anything back to him. heather: when you last met with him did you know he would take a step and address the nation about this? >> i didn't know when he was going to do it but yes, he absolutely told us he was goin...

People into supporting what they are doing right now in terms of trying to get this wall built and using the shutdown as leverage. i think it fell apart. interestingly, i guess it's chris wallace on fox news who really, you know, put sarah sanders in a tough spot having her try to defend this misinformation. the administration is sloppy. they need to get their facts straight. they have an argument but want to get the facts right. >> karen, it was interesting to hear from christopher rudd who head is a strong friend of the president, speaks to him. he told "the new york times" the following. he...

Were productive. also important to say that over the weekend, as you mentioned, the president floating the idea declaring a national emergency to get his wall built and using perhaps the defense department to do just that. some democrats even conceding that the president may have the authority to do that but will be subject in all likelihood to a court challenge if he tries it. to that send the president this morning tweeting out, quoting the incoming chairman of the house armed services committee adam smith saying in part that as adam smith said, the president may have the authority to do it....