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That's why some of us think that they are searching for an off ramp. but i was also struck, brian, in the president's comments when he decried liberal judicial court rulings that if he goes ahead with this emergency option to try to get this wall built, he'll be running headlong into another sort of hail of legal writs with people trying to block him again and whether that will actually help him make any progress on building any kind of a physical barrier along the border i'm very doubtful. he might do better, even if that in that department, by trying to cut a deal here rather than trying to ...

Wall. it actually will be a more powerful wall. and it will be a more beautiful wall than having a concrete wall. >> so, jon, we've gone from concrete to steel wall to fence. people are aware of this in real time. they have seen his comments change. they've seen the goal posts move on the part of this white house. >> yeah, brian, i don't expect that the 2020 campaign chant is going to be build that concrete or steel or whatever the democrats want to call it. his campaign chant has always been build that wall. i think he is looking for an exit ramp, as jill called it. if you look at what's goin...

>> if that's who the president is afraid of offending and of what she's going to say, how could a d.a.c.a. or dreamers deal be on the table? >> i don't think it is on the table. in fact anyone who knows about the meeting has said while it's arn idea in theory, it's not something that's plausible. democrats are holding firm to that notion too. of course they want a deal on d.a.c.a. but first we need open the government, then we can talk about d.a.c.a. later. and even president trump has said as much. let's get this wall built and then we can talk about d.a.c.a. both sides are in agreement that ...

Tweeted a couple minutes ago. great support coming from all sides for border security including the wall on our very dangerous southern border. teams negotiating this weekend. "the washington post" and nbc reporting of events, including fake sources, has been very inaccurate, to put it mildly. so, a lot going on, cross current ever information. who is saying what. what's possible? what would a deal look like? let's bring in hector garza national president of the border patrol council. jedediah: thanks for being here. pete: we saw you with the president in the briefing room. you are here with u...

Interesting that the white house wants the message out now that they're working on resolving this shutdown. it seemed like early on the president was willing to just sit there and project this image of him sitting alone in the oval office waiting for the democrats to call. there's now clearly a more forward lean to what the white house is doing to at least create an impression that there's progress and i think that's why some of us think that they are searching for an off ramp. but i was also struck, brian, in the president's comments when he decried liberal judicial court rulings that if he g...