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It's an enticement. ice needs the beds to enforce the rule of law on the border. >> sandra: what do you make the changing of the language being used to describe what will be built. a steel barrier rather than the president talking about the wall. is any of the changing of the language, does it concern you? >> absolutely does not. when the border patrol contract had the prototypes of the wall built and got them on display down in san diego, i went down there and looked at the prototypes when i was ice director. border patrol has said concrete barrier makes sense but some areas they wanted steel...

Different. a lot of work has been done on the wall. there's been tremendous renovations and if you look at san diego there's been a new wall built which doesn't get reported i don't know why you don't want to report it but take a look at san diego and other areas we've had a new wall built well we can do much more if they give us the money to do it, but a lot of work has already been done. you know when they say build a wall, i don't say that any more. i say finish the wall because we have done a lot of work. if you know, the 1.6 billion and 1.6 billion for two years it had language in that re...

People, screaming at the tv and then it's going to be a very bad time for him when these republicans start peeling off and they will. >> ayman, i think she make as great point. quickly. she talked about mike pence. also let's look at mick mulvaney on "meet the press" this morning. how can any democrat in a room negotiating with them feel confident they're actually speaking with any authority? remember, mike pence had an agreement, allegedly from the white house before the break that the republicans in the senate and house couldn't actually rely upon because the president pulled the rug from un...

And president of the national action network and jackie alemany with power up newsletter. charlie and philip are still here. we haven't gotten to you guys, so we'll start with you. where are we? what is this moment? >> this moment essentially comes down to whether or not donald trump wants to give up on his assertion that he wants to see this wall built, right? i mean, this is the point that was just made -- >> well, it's down to slats, right? >> exactly, yes, the steel slats, the beautifully artistically designed steel slats. >> then we alternate concrete wall, like obama -- >> today he never...

Get their paycheck. we are not giving up. we have to have border security. >> do you have in mind a safety net for those who need their checks? >> well, the safety net is going to be having a strong border. many of the people you're discussing, i really believe that they agree with what we're doing. >> i want to understand how you expect federal workers to last that long without getting a paycheck. >> if we have to stay out for a very long period of time we're going to do that. and many of those people, maybe even most of those people that really have not been and will not be getting their mon...