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Use emergency situations to enact a bunch of more progressive policies they hate. so it sounds like he is postponing things and he's saying right now i'm going to get my wall either way. we'll just have to wait and see if this bipartisan group of lawmakers can come up with anything. i'm very skeptical. but lawmakers have long talked about a wall for daca agreement of some sort. >> a wall for daca. would the president of the united states, this president of the united states, go that far away from his anti-immigration base, cut a deal, a big deal, a path to citizenship to status for the dreamer...

Like he inevitably has to give in, but i do not see how that actually unfolds. >> okay. republicans and democrats agreed on how to get out of the shutdown. democrats gone as far to pass two republican bills in a democratic house to pass a shutdown. the president sends mike pence up to negotiate 2.5 billion dollars. then comes back and the president saying, who said $2.5 billion? >> right. >> he said $2.5 billion, the number he gave pence and when pence came back with a deal he changed it. pence goes up today, no credibility on the hill. whatever he says doesn't matter because he's not carrying...

Jorge ramos. how much does a daca deal fall on the shoulders of the democrats right now? >> well, it's not going to be easy for democrats to accept everything that president trump and the republicans want. they're not proposing immigration reform. they're proposing immigration revenge. they not only want to help the daca students, but also they want a wall, they want more border security, they want to end the so-called chain migration, which is really family reunification, and then, the visa lottery. i don't see a deal possible. for the dreamers, what they're asking them is the impossible beca...

Republicans do hold the cards. >> the fact is, republicans with these negotiations, they want to change the essence, i think, of the united states. i mean, do they really want to make america white again? is that the deal? what i have seen from the democratic side and from talking with the dreamers, is that they're willing to negotiate daca, for a few miles of wall. maybe 300, 350 miles of wall. that's as much as they can go. but to tell them that from now on, everything is going to change, that change migration has to be stopped, that family unification is not going to be the immigration prin...

Minority-majority country. >> if the president gets some of the wall built, that would be a big win for him politically. >> probably. but it is a useless wall. mexico is not going to pay for that. >> cdo you think that would matter to the president's base, whether or not mexico pays for it? >> i don't know. he keeps on insisting on that. however, i agree. that's not really important. if he wants a call, if he wants -- look, the border between mexico and the united states is almost 2,000 miles. there's physical walls on 200 walls. if president trump wants another 300, 350, with that, we can get...