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The democrats don't want to give it to him. the american public knows that. >> hold on. he is responsible also because he is pitching it so that he can tell the american people, i got a brand-new wall. you know there's no new wall. there's a continuation of the types of fencing and different structures and technologies that they want in different places that they need fixed and added to. there's nothing new. there's no additional. right? it's just more of what we have. >> $5 billion for nothing new? >> that becomes a concern. >> if it shut down -- >> hold on. this is not a political argument. ...

Just so you understand. i spend a lot of time reporting on this. i'm telling you, the idea of what we are told during the campaign, which is right where we see the big barrier fences and sometimes they put some extra kicker to make it tough to get over, that you see a new wall put in front of that, that's not true. those types of structures that we saw they had to put down and they need more, that's what they are talking about. the president sold it as something different during the campaign. he said, mexico is going to pay for it. you say, that was never relevant. of course not. he is respons...

They would be proud to shut the government down is our president. i'm confident that leadership, republican and democrat, house and senate, we want to finish our appropriations bills and want to go home. we don't want to see a government shutdown. in a fairly famous exchange -- >> as we saw. >> -- the president said i'm willing to shut the government down over getting my wall. they haven't spent the money that was appropriated. >> i know you -- why haven't they? what was it, $1.3 billion? >> they've spent money on models and studies but it's not as if they built 100 or 200 miles of wall in the...

Last for? was it kind of a little bit more every day? >> it was a little bit more every day. i think really the first reunion for us was the initial shock was the big one. after that it became normalized fairly rapidly. the next day we had lunch and spent the afternoon together. there was quarters on base where the families were kept. it was on the third day we were taken over there. so it's all programmed out. no matter what the outcome on this court of public opinion on bergdahl is for the family and for him, i hope that they trust in the folks will in san antonio because they know what they...

Normalize fairly rapidly. the next day, we had lunch. we spent the afternoon together. there was a quarters on base where the families were kept. i think it was on the third day where we were taken other there. so it's all programmed out. no matter what the outcome on this court of public opinion on bergdahl is, for the family and for him, i hope they trust in the folks in san antonio because they know what they're doing and they have their best interests in mind. it helped us tremendously. there was a wall put up around us and we were protected basically for about ten days just so we could ge...