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Inch, and republicans are not. of course, someone will eventually have to give an edge because the government will have to reopen, but at this moment, she is going and very confident. in our interview, she joked that trump is changing his mind so much, talking about it like it was a beaded curtain. she has accused him of fearmongering. it does not sound like democrats are going to play ball. >> leland: if you take away the policy discussion in terms of what the wall represents and put it into a political perspective, how confident, or what data point does nancy pelosi point to that says standi...

>> common knowledge what the wall represents. >> he started talking about himself. >> guys, guys. >> the larger point. there is no reason. you know, people can express shock, defend it, whatever. this is what -- this is, this is who donald trump is. this is the way it is going to be. moving forward. that's just. more clear than ever. >> we live in interesting times. yes it is who he is. we are going to have to get used to this. part of it to dave ifd's point. part is he is going to have to get used to it. we'll see. maybe he is right. maybe he can say things as president he said as candidate o...