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Dow down. they are all weighing in. are they right to take on tru trump's wall? should they say, i'm going to define my own issue? >> i mean, i will supplement my judgment for that of beto o'rourke who represented the el paso area in congress about that particular area of the wall. i will tell you, what irks democrats about this whole talk about the wall and this made up crisis ain the president's mind and head is quite frankly what this wall represents. it's no -- it's not about a physical barrier as much as it is about the rich centuries old tradition of people being able to come from anywhe...

Certainly not going to be a concrete wall, but it will be part of a package, i can almost bet on it. >> she's a freshman member from california. >> so this minutia of -- this is where i agree with s.e. this miwe're going to rebuild he and strengthen it there. that's the part where the american people are -- they are sick of that. but they're very clear as the poll shows, and -- and by the way, yes, democrats are for border security but they're not going to give him this money for the wall. they've been very firm about that. but there's something else going on here in these polling numbers. wha...

Part of a package, i can almost bet on it. >> she's a freshman member from california. >> so this minutia of -- this is where i agree with s.e. this we're going to rebuild here and strengthen it there. that's the part where the american people are -- they are sick of that. but they're very clear as the poll shows, and -- and by the way, yes, democrats are for border security but they're not going to give him this money for the wall. they've been very firm about that. but there's something else going on here in these polling numbers. what people understand, you're right, scott. this is how he w...

Plans would be, none of that exists yet. this only underscores the fact that this is a fight that is -- it's a purely political fight. the wall represents to donald trump his base. and that is why he is sticking to it. the longer the shutdown goes, the longer he has the ability to do like he did this past week and talk in front of the white house for an hour about the wall. he thinks that helps shore up his own political support. and as long as he has that, that's why he's distanced from ending the shutdown. >> last question, any way to predict the length of this shutdown? >> gosh, i don't kno...

This is all donald trump has left. this wall is not a wall. it's let's keep america white again. >> all right, a couple of things here. donny deutsch they should reproduce him and put him on the border. he is thicker than most walls. what he did, he used the argument that the wall represents racism. so the wall around his studio make the entire show racists. he points out the race of the men out there. the 3 white bald guys. who is the closest racist? >> wasn't one hispanic? >> yes. >> i think he owes an apology to those men who try to keep this country safe. >> why should they be smiling? >> ...