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Is this signaling anything larger potentially? how do you see them holding together? >> this is the cornerstone of the democratic strategy. separate republicans from the president on this issue. if you're mitch mcconnell, you're ultimately going to have to choose. do you protect your vulnerable members? or protect the position of the president? democrats believe over enough time and with enough of these defections, they can increase that pressure on mitch mcconnell to have a vote in the senate to reopen the government. they believe there would be more republicans who vote in favor of reopening...

In fact, we're talking about airports where a wall wouldn't do anything. >> so misleading at best. let's talk about this razor wire or whatever you want to call it on top of the existing wall and the troop movement. what's going on there? >> right. i've been down to the border, seen them hanging this concertina wire. they would expand this and talk about this today. there's a meeting between dod and dhs officials. and this isn't something that the president would have to get congress to approve. dod could simply give the manpower. that would keep troops at the border through the end of septemb...

Line on a number of issues, starting calling for separating these votes from the votes to build the border wall. the democrats have done what they said they're going to do. it does place the ball squarely in mitch mcconnell's court. he said he doesn't want to take show votes. he doesn't want to vote anything that the president won't support. to kristen's point about this meeting and having relatively low expectation, i can tell you the feeling is largely the same here on the congressional side except we have been going through this exercise over the last week or two of multiple white house off...

Separation of parent and children. they did not do that under prior administrations. this is unprecedented. >> so the argument that their families have been separated because the law required it, you say false? >> false, absolutely. you can talk to anybody on the border and they will tell you that there were sporadic separations for particular reasons. this is a systemic policy to separate thousands of children. we have never seen anything like this. >> you can go for standing as a class, a group of people or look at a specific case. you're taking dual approaches here. you have a case out of c...

Practice right now that doesn't a lot of sense. >> by the way, i'm not defending the process. i don't like what's happening. >> but he does, right? >> i'm just saying i think trump has made the case that illegal immigration is a big problem. >> everybody knows it's a problem. >> but i keep hearing this, though. i keep listening to cnn, he keeps hearing liberals say we care about illegal immigration but they don't want to fund the wall, they're not in favor -- >> because a wall wouldn't do anything. >> what is the policy, catherine, of liberals to stop illegal immigration? >> illegal immigratio...