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Also that he didn't have a discussion but he didn't say he didn't know and he certainly didn't say he wasn't told. >> look, as i've said many times, i think there were multiple reasons why the president didn't want to release the aid. was one of them kicking joe biden in the teeth? probably. but there's nothing illicit about all the of other things, which are legitimate reasons to hold back -- >> if you rob a bank because you're hungry, because your mother needs something and because you want to smash a window and take jewelry, that's the one that sends you to jail. >> i disagree. i don't thin...

Credibility problem as much as they go after you don't seem to know what you're talking about and you don't seem to be really sure about who told you what. that's because they won't let him have the documents and they won't have the big shots come in and testify. how can they complain about what they're complicit in? >> well, they can't. we've been a bit spoiled with the witnesses to date. a parade of witnesses have come to the table with incredible memories because they are notetakers sondland by his own admission is not a person like that. so he doesn't take a lot of notes or write memos, bu...

Tell zelensky to do the right thing. then he says, "this is the final word from the president of the united states, i want nothing." >> now, his best defense in there is that he is so unfamiliar with the situation that he can't even spell the ukrainian president's name. he wasn't even close. but if that's what he says his position is, how do you take it? >> if i'm committing an act of murder and shouting no homicide at the same time, i'm not exonerated. jeffrey's right in so far as all the boxes were checked to the for the element of what democrats are trying to establish. rick is correct in m...

>> so here's my answer. i want nothing. i want nothing. i want no quid pro quo. tell zelinsky to do the right thing. then he says, this is the final word from the president of the united states. i want nothing. >> when? when was the call? that's the problem. as big and as obvious as the president's notes. september 9th. so what? what does that date mean? that is after he asked ukraine to do him a favor on that call. it is after he brought up investigating the bidens on that call. it is after the whistle-blower complained. it is after the white house was made aware that that complaint was out t...

Put them back, the other picture. he said "i want nothing, i want nothing, i want no quid pro quo. he said tell zelensky, whose name is spelled nothing like that, that's what he said he said. when did he said he said it? september 9th to gordon sondland. august 28 the politico report comes out about the aid. fine, there's a date. early september, so right after that, they're supposed to have the interview where zelensky is going to talk to fareed zakaria about announcing this. one thing not on this timeline at about 4:00 in the morning, congress sends out the presser