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But i think when we have a few months or a few years on this, we're going to recognize that something else has happened here. the president has decided to end the post-9/11 era. the president has decided to shift our priorities finally towards the priorities of the century ahead, towards competitiveness, towards investing in ourselves instead of investing in war, towards achieving goals that benefit all americans as opposed to having unachievable goals like the goals that were set for this war a long, long time ago. and i think that when we do have the benefit of history, we're going to realiz...

What they needed to do. clearly, that's not true. with lightning speed, the whole thing has fallen apart. howie: while you certainly can blame president biden for the way this withdrawal has been managed, he was carrying out a withdrawal process that was first negotiated by donald trump and public opinion, after 20 years, after the billion, after the people have died, the brave soldiers in iraq and afghanistan, there is a lot of war a fatigue out there. >> it's understandable. this was the inevitable result. the american people realized this was always going to happen at the end of our occupat...

President trump and ambassador sondland. he overheard this phone call because the president was talking so loud. david holmes testified to hearing the president. discussed how the ukrainians want. they're going to investigate into the bidens and the president made clear that was his interest and that was his sole interest according to the testimony that david holmes plans to give. something similar he said behind closed doors just last week. he said this in his testimony behind closed doors. i asked why not. and ambassador sondland stated that the president only cares about big stuff. i noted ...

We are putting more oil on to the fire and making it even worse. >> i have to say, one of my memories was how nice everyone was at the rally as they were chanting death to america knowing we were americans. it was an interesting moment that i have never forgotten. the hill tv did an interview with the president in which he said he does not congressional approval to do anything when it comes to iran. is that your interpretation? >> no. it's absolutely false. once again, the president is acting as if congress does not exist. and congress will not exist if we don't speak up. there is a resolution...

Unequivocally does not want a confrontation or any sort of war with any other nation. that including the united states as well. >> at the same time, fred, iran's president did take a swipe another the trump administration. >> reporter: he did. it was at that same event he went to earlier today and what he said is he said that while iran doesn't want a confrontation that iranians need to understand that right now tehran is dealing with what he calls very inexperienced people in washington, d.c. that sort of underscores some of the feelings that the iranians have. they believe trump does not wan...