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About the president's intervention in war crimes cases. >> what message does that send to the troops? >> what message does it send? >> that you can get away with things. we have to have good order and discipline. i don't think he understands the full definition of a war fighter. a war fighter is a profession of arms. a profession of arms has standards. >> mark esper forced him out for going around the chain of command. here's what esper told reporters. >> we had no knowledge whatsoever. we were flabbergasted by it and surprised and caught completely off guard. >> esper says he wanted the navy ...

>> well, what message does it send? >> that you can get away with things. we have to have good order and discipline. it's the backbone of what we do. i don't think he understands the full definition of a war fighter. a war fighter is a profession of arms and a profession of arms has standards. >> joining me is cnn pentagon correspondent barbara starr. you hear spencer there in strong terms. that's a sentiment that's not confined to the former navy secreta secretary. what is the reaction to the end result of this case? >> well, i think that, you know, there is -- it is fair to say that there is...

It's the backbone. i don't think he understand the definition of a war fighter. a profession of arms. a profession of arm has standards. they have to be held to and they hold themselves to. >> with me now, richard danzig who served under president clinton and wrote an opinion piece for the "new york times" and another other george w. bush. we led the navy. president trump does not share the military's values. welcome. >> thank you. >> i will protect our great war fighters. i've got your backs. does he? and what do you make of the president's role in all of this? >> i think the president in his...

Years before having his cancer sel cells removed. this is is a great initiative they do since its inception in 1998, $25 million for all kinds of families fighting different types of cancer. >> that is wonderful. >> that is wonderful. >> thank you very much. >> anytime. ousted navy secretary richard spencer hits back at president trump in a brand new interview saying the president's intervention in eddie gallagher's war crimes case sent the wrong message to the troops. >> what message does that send to the troops? >> well, what message does it send? >> that you can get away with things. we h...

Away his trident pin, which is a symbol of the s.e.a.l.s. but the president took his side. >> with eddie gallagher, you know that story. they wanted to take his pin away, and i said, no, you're not going to take it away. >> the naval secretary had approached the oval office to try to resolve this standoff, which left defense secretary mark esper and chairman of the joint chief mark milley, quote, flapp flabbergasted, and it led to spencer being forced out. >> we've been thinking about that for a long time. that didn't just happen. and i have to protect my war fighters. >> the president says he...