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Nuclear device, it would be very, very unlikely that it is at this stage miniaturized. there is a lot more testing that would have to be done. that said, u.s. intelligence has been caught by surprise that the progress, the recent progress under this north korean leader in their ability to make advances on the missile technology. they have not yet made similar ad advancement that the u.s. knows about. being able to get a war head that has the ability to be placed on one of these missile that now we know has long range. range that, at least, according to some of the tests that if the trajectory ...

Recent test over northern japan was not only that they chose to have the missile fly over japan which is the first time they have done that and before that, their missile test had gone into the pacific but the trajectory was a more traditional trajectory and they were showing off again the range. in terms of war head, we have no evidence. no evidence at all that they have either done a nuclear test that is a hydrogen test or that they have actually made so many advances that they not only have a hydrogen test which is something that we have never detected before but one that is miniaturized. >...

All fears. you know, what we've been looking at over the past several months, over the past years are these two -- these two technologies that the north koreans are developing, one is the war head and the other is the delivery system, the intercontinental ballistic missile. now we find they actually have both. if what they're saying today is true, then we are no longer in this position of being able to wait until their technology gets there. we kicked the can down the road saying, well, they're not there yet, their technology is not there yet, they don't have the threat yet. well, they have th...

That that's what they're doing. we wouldn't know whether they could do that without being able to sample the air around the nuclear test site, without a great deal more information. we do know that north korea had been es xcavating the site. we know they were procuring thermonuclear fuel to help fuel one of the weapons and we know they were building their new generation of missile to carry heavy war heads with potentially higher yield. we knew a test was coming but we're not sure what the characteristics of the war head were. >> do we know how powerful this test bomb was? >> well, as we just h...

Continuing to develop, continue to go hord -- yes, you do? >> that's bad for everybody, the other is that kim doesn't have the capacity to attack the united states. we can achieve both of those goals. melissa: how? >> changing the regime or starting world war iii. between nuclear conventional deterrence and missile defense we can check any nuclear threat against the united states. we can check any escalation from mid or lower level and heavy containment will work because the sanctions are going to really limit the capacity of them to really build out their inventory so there's significant mili...