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Today? >> a little, i think you're libertarian minded people here, they're really worried about opening up a new front on the war on terror. they worry about an endless war. they have put forth a war resolution saying they need to declare war against isis. the concern is you look back at afghanistan and iraq, and the endless wars. i think people have concerns about that. they were against nation building in the clinton years. they're against the idea of nation building and using our forces for that purpose. i think rand paul will have a lot of sympathy on his push for criminal justice reform. ...

Historically that's amusing. in the war of 1812, the debate around that, there was a filibuster in that era in the house of representatives. and the house was filibustering the war. it passed, by the way, war resolution with no federalist votes, very similar to where we are today. but the only way to stop the filibuster was somebody threw a spitoon. think how disgusting that is. >> that spitoon is still on the senate floor. >> the noise was so loud, the filibuster was over and they went on to vote the war. >> schatz simple but kind of gross. jeremy, first of all what does this apply to and doe...

Completely different. >> normally freshman senators are supposed to be quiet. i remember when hillary clinton was a freshman senator from new york state, barely heard from her. she was learning, she was a little bit talking but she was very, very polite, very, very quiet. that's usually the normal operating procedure when a freshman comes -- >> they certainly don't push the house of representatives into a course the rest of the party doesn't want to go down. >> let's talk about the president's nominee, jeh johnson, to be the next secretary of homeland security. do you anticipate there's going ...

Non-interventionism has been pronounced the last couple of decades or was it rabid anti-clintonism and now rabid anti-obamaism. >> i was talking to a top aide who was saying this is not the same republican party that was supporting bush as he took the steps that he took. this is the republican party o who -- democrats cut this deal on sequester we'll match defense cuts and domestic cuts and we won't have to deal with it. the republican party for whom the defense support is no longer the sacred cow. it sets up a dynamic that is strikingly different from during the bush presidency. >> and a lot ...

This, we need you on board? >> you know, i think on questions like this, steve, where you're talking about a resolution authorizing a military strike, without combat -- without boots on the ground, without combat forces, rises to a level above, what does this mean for the president? what does this mean for me? i'm more interested in what does this mean for iran? what does this mean for north korea? what does this mean for our long-term security interests? i think most of my colleagues stay focused on those questions and factor out the more political and personal dimension of this, as they shou...