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Lot lots of times. we have as a society told them if they relapse, they fail, and people don't want to continue to fail. >> reporter: and the chief knows this because he lives it. you were a plain clothes narcotics officer and you saw these people, but you saw them up close, the people addicted to heroin living the life. >> we had a mom who was a heroin addict for years. she had a 2-year-old son in her care, and we would routinely do search warrants if we knew that she was selling out of the house, and we came in one corning, and there was the 2-year-old walking over just to check if that kid ...

Failed. we've sent all the wrong messages. so people don't want to continue to suffer. >> the chief knows this because he lives this. >> you were a plains clothesed narcotics detective for some time. you saw these people -- you still see them -- but you saw people up close, people who were addicted to heroin, living that life. >> we had a mom that was a heroin addict for years. she had a 2-year-old son in her care. we would routinely do search warrants if we knew that she was selling out of the house. and we came in one night. and in the corner was a crib. there was the 2-year-old. and walked ...

And he immediately put his arms up, and he grabbed me around the neck, and he would not let go. and he stayed like that for three hours. and so here's this guy coming in, you know, back in the day when, you know, arm to the teeth, you know, ready to go, ready to sniff out drugs with a team of law enforcement who spent the night, you know, cradling a child. and that stuck with me for a very long time in terms of, you know, where is that child now, you know? the atmosphere that they grow up in, can something be done to stop this next generation? and where do we start? >> reporter: dr. sanjay gup...

Facility were evacuated, arms up, taken to the golf course or another corner point around the campus so they could be collected and their safety accounted for. we also saw in one of those images how a staffer was gathering i.d. badges to pass them on so thunderstorms would have a better head count. >> as this is still unfolding, that they are looking for a shooter, they are looking for a man wearing tactical gear, as that's happening and we're looking at pictures there from thomas, we're also getting reaction from across the political spectrum as has become somewhat unfortunately typical. ted ...

Arriving on scene. they flooded the building. they went in from different entry points. they started bringing people out with their arms up, hands in the air. they filed them in a safe manner down the street. and they are actively searching the building now. so there are three buildings they have to search. so this will take some time. >> do you know anything about a banquet for county personnel that was taking place at one of these facilities? >> no. i don't know anything about that. >> how many people would be inside this time of day? i guess it was around 11:00 a.m. local when the shooting ...