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Lolo pilots to switch from one to the other, that could be a very material statement. either it is true or it is not and that might be part of the investigation. and so for pilots to go from a standard 737 to this one without the second part of this problem, without the warning equipment in the cockpit and without knowing about the mcas was clearly -- i don't think the plane should have been certified without additional training and remember the training and pilots manuals also have to be approved by the faa. >> so who does this fall on? it is easy to say this is boeing, this is their aircraft...