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Heading into the next debate. >> natasha, in that first democratic debate a couple months ago, you saw biden. obviously he had that encounter on stage with kamala harris. it helped her momentarily, it certainly seemed to hurt him back then as well. i think now folks are looking at it looks like elizabeth warren is going to be on the same stage with biden in the next debate in september and i think wondering if something similar might happen then. >> well, it's certainly the battle everyone's been waiting for, people have said that biden skated by being able to avoid warren the first two debate...

To the warren point, as natasha points out, she started out und und the campaign is she's reminding democrats of why they liked her to begin with. so it's really created this situation where we essentially have a two to three person race heading into the next debate. >> natasha, in that first democratic debate a couple months ago, you saw biden obviously he had that encounter on stage with kamala harris. it helped her momentarily, certainly seemed to hurt him back then as well. i think now folks are looking at warren who's going to be on the same stage with biden in the next debate in septembe...

And i think wondering if something similar might happen then. >> well, it's certainly the battle everyone's been waiting for, people have said that biden skated by being able to avoid warren the first two debates. on the other hand, warren has dominated because she's sort of central, at least in the first debate. you know, with bernie sanders in the second debate, the two of them joined up. so it will be interesting to see how both of them respond, how both of them think on their feet. but warren is, you know, no question a formidable debater. >> there's a widely publicized video over the week...