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Banks make the loans. so banks who have historically discriminated against black and brown customers need to target black and brown customers for their best financial products. so there are things the private sector can do, but as i said last summer, when i saw these dollars, i thought, and statements in support of black lives matter, i thought it was bs and basically that washington post deep dive proves me right. >> phillip, i'm curious if you agree, and if we are looking to the private sector to address some of these issues, what are the metrics for success? how do we know if these things a...

Analyzed? >> yeah. i mean, it depends. so these companies that offer shell companies and so forth, they reside in jurisdictions where they are abiding by the laws of, say, the british virgin islands or cypress or other places around the world and you're right to point out that there's not anything necessarily illegal about that but it does create a lot of problems. it leads to tax evasion. these off shore systems are often exploited by criminals to hide ill gotten gains, corrupt politicians and just -- and as you put it at the top of the show, i mean, just the very, very wealthy in moving mone...

Countries and territories. according to the washington post deep dive into it all, quote, the pandora papers allow for the most comprehensive accounting to date of a parallel financial universe whose corrosive effects can span generations draining significant sums from government treasuries, worsening wealth disparities and shielding the riches of those who cheat and steal while impeding authorities and victims in their efforts to find or recover hidden asset. we should note cnn has not done its analysis of legalities here. greg miller is one of the journalists reporting on the pandora papers.

Countries and territories. according to the washington post deep dive into it all, quote, the pandora papers allow for the most comprehensive accounting to date of a parallel financial universe whose corrosive effects can span generations draining significant sums from government treasuries, worsening wealth disparities and shielding the riches of those who cheat and steal while impeding authorities and victims in their efforts to find or recover hidden assets. we should note cnn has not done its own analysis of the le legalities here and using these instruments could be perfectly legal depend...