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Parks and memorials and the national institutes of health which had to turn away 200 people, including kids with cancer. others say no, they want to fund the government at once. as the shutdown continues, small business owners are continuing their protest here on capitol hill. they're telling lawmakers this is bad for business. the longer it continues, the more likely it becomes that the fight to fund the government is going to coincide with another fight coming up to raise the debt limit so the nation can pay its bills. mara. >> not looking good. more now on john harwood's exclusive one-on-on...

Republican party. and have purposely kept my et rhetoric down. i think i'm well known for being a calm guy. >> wall street has been calm about this. washington fighting, washington posturing, yadda, yadda. is that the way to look at it? >> no. this time is different. they should be concerned. when you have a situation in which a faction is willing potentially to default on u.s. government obligations then then we are in trouble. if they are willing to do it now they will be willing to do it later. >> what was your big takeaway? >> the president drew a firm line that he will negotiate but not u...

That. it will open up government, but all they're doing is politics of what they think is -- will resonate with the american people. the american people, by 72% think this is a dumb policy. >> everybody sees through it. representative steny hoyer, sir, thank you so much. >> thank you very much, martin. coming up, a live report from the white house. as the president, as i said, prepares to meet congressional leaders. plus, more on the president's exclusive interview late this afternoon. stay with us. wall street has been pretty calm about this. the reaction i would say generally speaking ...

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