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Casualty, so to speak, to the president's approach to ukraine. and hopefully you can build a case that in fact what they were doing is an impeachable offense that asking the ukrainians to investigate biden, not only disrupted u.s. diplomacy but had real world consequences. >> and all of this was undoubtedly triggered by the whistle-blower and a lot of that whistle-blower was based on a phone call that took place. now someone who was on that phone call was lieutenant colonel alexander vindman who oversees security policy. and also he isn't scheduled to testify publicly, he is reportedly willing...

Operations. this is going to the president himself saying on that call even though it wasn't a full transcript, was a partial transcript, of speak to rudy giuliani and bill barr. so the president has put him there. and i think sam's point is an excellent one. we don't know if rudy's too dangerous if he's inside the tent or outside of the tent. that's what i think the president's probably dealing with right now. and so is rudy giuliani. he's under investigation by the fbi. and that's a very big deal as well. one of the things that no one's talked about and i'm just kind of curious is when he wa...

Biden and his son hunter biden and that this meeting occurred before the new ukrainian president zelensky was inaugurated in may. so that's earlier than any discussion of a quid pro quo that we've known so far. and in addition according to mr. parnas' lawyer, the mealing involved a discussion of whether vice president mike pence would attend the inauguration of president zelensky. so that's another condition that hasn't been mentioned so far as to what would happen if the investigation wasn't announced. >> and i know that you write that the claim by parnas challenges the narrative of events fr...