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All of a sudden sometimes you lose the ability to differentiate from real life and the intense game that you're playing. and you hear gamers on their headset talking to people in the next room, in the next state, in the next country, where they're gaming back and forth. and there's a lot of trash talking that goes on. individuals yelling at each other. anywhere from duck, here comes a bad guy, to i'm going to run over you next time i see you. when that trash-talking all of a sudden is taking place with multiple people in the room, for example, that could be something this individual either has...

Out of the prison. they walked out of there. and i'm just wondering because they did find their orange jumpsuits eventually, do you think they would have had help or do you think to your point, they would have just stolen cloets? >> i think they stole clothes. and as i said, an escape of opportunity. and they really would have had no way of knowing. i mean, these were mixed races, and this sell they were in, it wasn't a two-man cell. it was a dormitory type cell, and they had free access to the shower. the sheriff himself didn't even find out until, what, 2:30 in the morn, that these guys took...

Forward with all of these new details which show that clearly he was on board for quite some time, right? >> i think you're absolutely right, martha. this wasn't a two-week involvement with him in had whole case, that all of sudden he knew how to make a bomb. he talked about how he knew how to make a bomb quite some time before the whole incident to his friends. so he's got a lot of explaining to do. bottom line is, he is only doing this to save himself from government putting a needle in his arm. that is the basic event right here right now. martha: what ununbelievable tale he is telling righ...