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Responsible for uncovering spies. I got a call when i was in los angeles. We want you to come back and run this group. When i went over to the Counterespionage Group i asked if i could bring an assistant with me, somebody from the fbi and john i had work would previously in laufros angeles. The first fbi agents inserted in like cover in the cia was a singular opportunity. I tend to value those more and ive never regretted it. Most of the people in the cia did not know i was there looking for a spy. Did you have a cia badge or cia badge. So they didnt know you were from the fbi . Within a week ...

To get over the trauma of january 6th itself and the things that i saw on both sides -- >> i don't understand how you can not pick sides after what happened. it just seems like a really clear side. >> the things that i saw were bad. regardless of which side you're on is what i'm saying. there's nothing illegal about watching a fight that's happening. that's not -- that's not illegal. >> well, when you're part of a mob that's storming the capitol -- >> i was -- >> and setting aside illegal, what about moral? >> but i wasn't doing anything wrong. >> you were part of the crowd. your very presence...

>> it was a lot of self analysis to get over the trauma of january 6th, itself, and the things i saw on both sides. >> i do not understand how you can pick sides, it seems like a really clear side. >> the things that i saw were bad regardless of which side are you on is what i'm saying. there is nothing illegal watch ac fight that's happening. that's not illegal. >> a mob storming the capitol. in some sense it is illegal. it's immoral. >> but i wasn't doing anything wrong. >> you were a part of the crowd. your very presence was giving them support. >> you're a part of the crowd as well. >> i w...

Happening >> when you're part of a mob storming the capitol. setting aside illegal, how about moral? >> i wasn't doing anything wrong. >> you were part of the crowd. your very presence was giving them support. >> you were proud of the crowd as well. >> i was a journalist. they were screaming in my face. >> i was a citizen standing there yelling. i feel we're getting sidetracked. >> this is the problem of a mob. it absolves people of their moral kul beability. you're just one person. >> people who had physical confrontations with police officers should be held accountable for that. . >> do you ...

Mob that's storming the capitol -- and setting aside illegal, what about moral? >> but i wasn't doing anything wrong. >> you were part of the crowd. your very presence was giving them support. >> you were part of the crowd as well. >> i was a journalist. they were screaming in my face. >> i'm just a citizen, just standing there yelling. i feel like we're getting sidetracked. >> i think, actually, this is really the heart of the question. this is the problem of a mob. it absolves people of their moral culpability. you're like, i was just one person. >> i want to be clear, the people that actual...