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That's not -- that's not illegal. >> well, when you're part of a mob that's storming the capitol -- >> i was -- >> and setting aside illegal, what about moral? >> but i wasn't doing anything wrong. >> you were part of the crowd. your very presence was giving them support. >> you were part of the crowd as well. >> i was a journalist. they were screaming in my face. >> i'm just a citizen there standing there yelling. but i feel like we're getting sidetracked. >> i mean, actually, i think this is really at the heart of the question, is this is the problem of a mob. it absolves people of their mor...

President are trying to focus in on just the call, but the events that lead up to the call are just as important including the removal of the ambassador, the circumstances around that removal, why she was taken out of ukraine, and to the extent that she can sort of cast light on what giuliani was up to in the months prior to the phone call. >> interestingly, democrats, one democratic aid told our team they believe that yovanovitch will tug on the heart strings, her story is compelling and people can relate to a character witness like this who had her job yanked from under her feet when she fel...

Were getting involved in this politically-driven agenda of rudy giuliani. but what giuliani is saying is different, he's saying he worked closely with kurt volcker on his efforts in ukraine, pushing for an investigation into joe biden. >> i was going to say, kiley, the whistle-blower complaint suggested that kurt volcker went to kiev at one point to work with the ukrainian officials, to guide them on how to deal with the president's demands. >> reporter: exactly. so we know that kurt volcker was talking to the ukrainians in that text message that rudy giuliani put out, was connecting giuliani ...

Spoke with him, they came to the conclusion that he wasn't doing anything wrong. he wasn't bothering anybody. so, they left. >> unsatisfied with the response to her calls, the manager called a personal friend on the force to the scene, officer manny. he confronted dontre who was unarmed and not bothering anybody. >> he stood over dontre's head, dontre was startled, jumped up, and he tried to do a pat down. dontre resisted. officer manny unloaded 14 bullets into dontre killing him. dontre hadn't been bothering anybody, even the cops at the scene. >> his life was taken for that because of a mana...

Investigation. >> lawrence: but they've done it illegally before. >> harris: you can spy legitimately with a warrant. you can do what you need to do. the question isn't whether or not spying was going on. the question is what led up to that point? where the right steps taken? were there any inappropriate or illegal steps taken that process? the fisa court is secret. it would be great if we could just get all their files, but that's probably not going to happen on this friday. >> jessica: they made it clear that a number of campaign officials lied to the fbi about contacts with russians. we all...