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I haven't read the book. most of us probably haven't. i read the excerpts, which are probably not as knew wanlsed as the book, which jeffrey has read. i don't know if others here have read it yet. i wish he had waited to write this book for two reasons. number one, i think he would have thought differently away from the heat of battle. but number two, i don't think it's so cool to write a book during the term of the guy you serve, especially when you got the medal of freedom. and i hope that leon panetta, who's writing a book, will wait. jane to leon, please wait. >> would you write a book whi...

Jeffrey goldberg. and chris mathews. i want to get to the substance of the debate about the president's leadership in national security affairs, particularly afghanistan. here is a key excerpt from the book. gates writing about the march 20 meeting in is the situation room. gates write, "as i sat there, i thought, the president doesn't trust his commander, can't stand afghan president hamid karzai, doesn't believe in his own strategy, and doesn't consider the war to be his. for him, it's all about getting out." chris mathews, how scathing is this of obama's leadership? >> well, it has a certai...

And so he is the one who needs to be making these decisions. i haven't read the book. most of us probably haven't. i read the excerpts, which are probably not as knew wanlsed as the book, which jeffrey has read. i don't know if others here have read it yet. i wish he had waited to write this book for two reasons. number one, i think he would have thought differently away from the heat of battle. but number two, i don't think it's so cool to write a book during the term of the guy you serve, especially when you got the medal of freedom. and i hope that leon panetta, who's writing a book, will...

Another 33,000 american troops in afghanistan that was even remotely politically popular. the war right now is as unpopular as anything going in america right now. the notion that the president -- and i think this is why, again, it's maddeningly self-contradictory, gates puts in front of the fact that somehow that politics was drive deg situation, yet each and every decision the president made was absolutely contradictory to the politics of the moment. >> gates does give him credit for that, for bucking not just the politics but the politicaled a advice that he was given. >> the president wh...

You're saying is, we are learning things that go beyond this obscure lawyer, rick gates, at the time whose supposed to be doing his day job, running the donald trump campaign, and yet you're saying he's being picked up in some investigations. >> i think it wasn't gates, it wasn't this lawyer that cooperated against gates, it was the other way around. i mean it's been rumored for a long time that gates was going to be cooperating with the government. i don't think he had any choice. as i said before, it's a document case, there is no defense that any reasonable lawyer could have made here. so w...