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I think one of the lessons here and it's been true of both parties as there is a tendency to overreach. you think you have a bigger mandate than you do you act accordingly then you pay a price pretty think of seeing a cycle of both parties repeating that mistake over the last decade or so. bret: how do they sell this coming out of the loss how was it sold? >> that got to go back to what were talking about. focusing on the court popular elements of the bill, repackaging and putting it out there. talking about that again they lost a month's of controlling the narrative by allowing it to be over ...

Something they did not want to see happen. but they still have the elements there of a message of producing results of the american people. and take some of the popular elements of "build back better". reintroduce that as the next step. then they've got something they can sell to the american people. >> that's going to take time to break all of that up the meantime the present, the united states facing upside down poll numbers and covid it surge and a mandate concern around the country. >> a mandate concern but i think if i could follow-up this could be a shot of adrenaline for the senate. the...

And i think that people in my district firmly believe that. we have to trust the science, trust our doctors, and unfortunately, pam, for better or worse, this has been politicized by both parties from the very beginning and i think there are a lot of people that just really have a large distrust of government and politicians in general and i think the more they go on tv and certain politicians and say you have to do this, you have to do this, more people are going to say i'm not going to do it, and dr. fauci, for better or worse, i think has got to the point of where he's at the law of diminis...

>> can you definitively say omicron is less severe? >> i cannot say that for the u.s. i have seen a data as recently as yesterday from south africa. let me say the south african scientists have been incredibly transparent about everything they know. what i saw it yesterday does seem to indicate that in south africa there is less hospitalization and the people getting hospitalize are less likely to be in icu. but remember that it's a different population it is generally younger. most people in south africa already had delta so some immunity from that. they do not have boosters there so we have ...

Clear we think it's a mistake party want to keep safe of their protocols in place. there is a particular outbreak in a classroom we want to ramp up testing my should keep this people safe by shutting down an entire school system of kids that are already struggled with distance learning for nearly a year, it is just outrageous and wrong. bret: what is your take on the federal appeals court ruling on the mandate for vaccines for businesses with more than a 100, where do you think it goes what you do with it? we are one of the most vaccinated states in america with 90.8% 18 and older is vaccinate...