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What's the latest? >> that's right. that 2,000 is, of course, just a drop in the bucket of people now vulnerable and could be targeted, previously been threatened by the taliban, i apologize i'm holding my phone because i have sources on the ground checking in confirming they are safe they made it through the night. this is day two with the taliban in charge. and nobody knows exactly what that's going to look like. there are conversations, talks going on in doha about what the government could look like. but on the ground in kabul is a disturbing situation. not just what we've been seeing in t...

Taliban because of doha agreement, if we busted that agreement we couldn't have counted on that, after may 1st those troops would have been in harm's way, much worse than they were, and we believed that would have required a plus up of troops. you can argue you can plus up troops forever and stay in afghanistan forever but the commander in chief determined that was not sustainable, acceptable, so we began to draw down and we had to do it in a quick way because we couldn't trust the taliban, couldn't trust their word they wouldn't attack us, so we moved quickly to get the troops drawn down. >> ...

To these visa inquiries. if we cannot figure out a way to make right the situation, to secure the air base, to get the airport secure enough where commercial flights can come in and where we can process our afghan allies and activists and civil society leaders who are going to be persecuted because it didn't have to be this way. it did not have to be this way. >> yeah, it didn't have to be -- >> it's just past -- >> i was just going to say, jonathan lemire, it didn't have to be this way. you're going to hear from a lot of people at the biden white house we're certainly hearing from a lot of vi...

Commercial airport just became absolute chaos. as you saw from the images. and so i had friends who made it there, thought they were on a flight, thought they were finally safe because the airport certainly it was assumed had to be a safe place because so many embassies had evacuated there. and then the situation just spiralled so out of control. and from what i'm hearing still today from afghans in kabul, the airport, the commercial side is still chaos, and it's still not under control. so i'm so concerned that even if we can get flights to evacuate our people, to evacuate our allies, how are...

And -- but that's the fact. that's the way things are. and so, the alternative to this is, what, you know, lowering the flag in a surrender ceremony to the taliban? i don't think that would have gone down any easier than this does. it's a tragic situation all around. but there was no graceful way to leave. this is a particularly ungraceful way that we're leaving but there was no graceful way to do it. >> "the washington post" has an op-ed this morning making the case for a small american footprint to stay there and perhaps prevent what we're seeing today. general david portrayis said this, we ...