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>> i don't know how to tell you this, but your wife didn't make it. she is deceased. >> just before 10:00 a.m., police let lars go. >> ken and christy believe their younger brother that morning overwhelmed with grief. >> he was completely hurt. shattered. you know r, he -- he was broken. >> in those hours afterwards, what was he talking about? >> he really wasn't talking. >> he was just in shock. if he opened his mouth, he broke down. >> across town, debbie's tennis friends were out on the court waiting for her to start that early morning match. one of their husbands came out to tell them abou...

But at the same time, betray the government, betray the prosecution, by sharing information with the president's legal defense team. i wonder whether one of the lies that paul manafort told the mueller team was that he wasn't talking, wasn't sharing information with the president's legal team. but certainly, i would have to think that the mueller prosecutors would feel that as a complete betrayal of a cooperation agreement, and it also appears to be how giuliani and others have been obtaining information about what the special counsel is doing, when the special counsel has made such an effort ...

Entered into this plea agreement with them. what's your reaction to that news? do you see this as a serious matter? >> it's a very serious matter, and i think barbara is exactly right. it represents an effort to essentially double deal by paul manafort, to pretend that he is cooperating with prosecutors, but at the same time, betray the government, betray the prosecution, by sharing information with the president's legal defense team. i wonder whether one of the lies that paul manafort told the mueller team was that he wasn't talking, wasn't sharing information with the president's legal team....

That paul manafort told the mueller team was that he wasn't talking, wasn't sharing information with the president's legal team. certainly i would have to think that the mueller prosecutors would feel that as a complete betrayal of a cooperation agreement, and it also appears to be how giuliani and others have been obtaining information about what the special counsel is doing when the special counsel has made such an effort to keep a tight ship. i will say this, though, not only it is going to infuriate the special counsel's office, but it will also infuriate the judge. i mean, judges don't li...

More -- comes to -- really closer to the border. the final point that i would say on this is now the president is staring down a congress that is going to dramatically shift. while there has been some plans that have been floated in the past couple of years on the issue of immigration, bipartisan plans, it doesn't seem that this administration wants to negotiate at all with democrats on the issue of immigration. >> and on that point, with this border wall possibly a government shutdown? the president's threatening actually. do you think that's going to happen? >> you know, i think the presiden...