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Actually used. >> they are not only lying to us, they are messing with the courts and this is a 7-year coverup. the administration knew this from the beginning as soon as she began using this e-mail account. it's not a private e-mail account. it's a government account that was disguised and hid from the american people. bill: byron, react to what fitton was saying. he seemed to be reacting to his own experience going after this information. >> watchdog groups have tried to get information from the state department for years often through lawsuits. the white house counsel's office said they did...

>>. >> if a member of congress takes an expensive trip, watchdog groups ask questions why did they need to take the trip. if they don't have to reveal it on their disclosure forms, people won't note about it. buried on page 35 in the guidelines provided to congress members states the change, meaning they get to travel regardless of dollar value and paid for a private source does not need to be reported. the unpublicize the change went unnoticed until a reporter with the national journal spotted it. the chairman of the house transparency caucus says that's part of the problem. >> i only know wh...

>> reporter: this is a longstanding problem. back in 2008, citizens for responsibility and ethics in washington noted that many agencies still print out documents and then physically store the paper, and millions of important records have been lost. in the controversial firings of the u.s. attorneys under president george w. bush, some memos regarding the interrogation of terror suspects and in the bernie madoff investigation, exchanges between government officials that are pure gold to watchdog groups. >> it's unguarded moments where they say what really happened, what they're really thinking...

>> reporter: still listen to what the u.s. archivist said about losing those and not reporting it. >> they did not follow the law. >> reporter: this is a longstanding problem. back in 2008 citizens for responsibility and ethic in washington noticed that many agencies still print out documents, then physically store the paper. and millions of important records have been lost. in the controversial firings of those u.s. attorneys under president george w. bush, some memos regarding the interrogation of terror suspects and in the bernie madoff investigation. exchanges between government officials ...

>> that is a really good question. what we've gotten here is a fascinate i fascinating glimpse into this 501-c-4, where there's little or no disclosure of donors. >> and ofa does voluntarily disclose. >> that's right. >> but they don't have to either. >> they don't have to. because of political pressure from watchdog groups. >> us and the media questioning them. >> they said they would disclose their donors and not take money from corporations and other business before the government. what happened here is had an they've now acknowledged, in addition to the matter we talked about the other day...