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Very aggressive. but he's a former u.s. attorney, so he has a stature that dowd does to counter dowd. i think that's probably what the president was looking for here. >> if you are a white male in your 60s and 70s and are a conservative tv pundit, you have a very high chance of getting a job in the current administration. kudlow and digenova, i mean he's -- i mean he's watching cable news and picking his staff now based on the people and how much they defend him. >> you think that's really how he's doing it. >> there's no doubt about it. we know it's been reported quite frequently that he watc...

President was looking for here. >> if you are a white male in your 60s and 70s and are a conservative tv pundit, you have a very high chance of getting a job in the current administration. kudlow and digenova, i mean he's -- i mean he's watching cable news and picking his staff now based on the people and how much they defend him. >> you think that's really how he's doing it. >> there's no doubt about it. we know it's been reported quite frequently that he watches hours of cable news a day. >> right. >> the way to get in front of him, the way to get a policy issue in front of him is to go on f...