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More people out there defending him. >> sure. jay sekulow, one of his attorneys, has been out there. but he's also trying to do this case. so it's difficult. i think digenova will be part of the legal team and not just part -- i'm told not just part of -- >> pundit team. >> you know, a spokesman team. i think it has not been well received by john dowd, the way this was rolled out. you know, the president did it in a sort of a way that's trumpian, and dowd has been the major communicator with bob mueller. and i think this is going to cause a difficulty internally. and so you have dowd, who says...

Very aggressive. but he's a former u.s. attorney, so he has a stature that dowd does to counter dowd. i think that's probably what the president was looking for here. >> if you are a white male in your 60s and 70s and are a conservative tv pundit, you have a very high chance of getting a job in the current administration. kudlow and digenova, i mean he's -- i mean he's watching cable news and picking his staff now based on the people and how much they defend him. >> you think that's really how he's doing it. >> there's no doubt about it. we know it's been reported quite frequently that he watc...