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She was the one that everybody saw would go into battle behind her efforts. not just ukraine but even within the e.u. so she is the corrupt creature here. she's the bad part, ari. so here's the question. what was the corruption that was so corrupt that she wasn't fired before now? that deep state pompeo didn't think she should have been fired for? or maybe he is part of the cover-up? i mean, this is where the story and the narrative gets really silly. but you know what? create the confusion, create it, throw it out there, do it in plain sight, and it will make enough noise that the truth doesn...

Now, that said, if i were nadler, you know, he probably has -- he probably has those articles of impeachment already written. they're drafted. he's just waiting for the go-ahead from up high from the speaker to move forward, and i just don't see that permission slip coming. i don't see it coming anytime soon because the american public simply isn't there on impeachment. >> but who is trying to persuade the american public to support it? that's my point. who is out there in the democratic party loudly leading this charge? i don't see anybody leading this charge right now. nobody with a loud voi...

The trump campaign and say there are news stories but it's all about the republicans and what they want to press. what do you make of the timing? >> of the timing? well, i think the timing probably isn't that bad just given what happened this week, given the self dealing. nadler is smart to drop it. that said, if i were nadler, he probably has those articles of impeachment already written, they're drafted. he's waiting for the go ahead from up high, the speaker, to move forward. i don't see that permission slip coming. i don't see it coming any time soon because the american public isn't there...

But my gosh! i was going to say, she's walking right up to the line, but it sounds like you're going over the line and then saying, but i'm not over the line. >> did -- tied her hands. it seemed like she came out of the meeting where she got an earful on this and say, i'm going to go further in public, say absolutely no one's above the law, the president engaged in a cover-up, but let's use the strategy we've been using so far. can she walk that line? >> well, look, they want to control the pace and the kind of unfolding of this inquiry. i mean, if you look back at the watergate precedent, the...

In the usual circumstance it is put up or shut up. indict or say nothing at all. here you have a situation where the president can't be indicted under justice department policy. so that's not a risk. also, you have the watergate precedent where jaworski, the special prosecutor, turned over a famous bulging briefcase of evidence to congress of relevant evidence for possible impeachment. the public does have an interest here independent of the criminal justice system. and it really is inconceivable to me that the public and certainly the congress wouldn't be allowed to see what mueller had spent...